Spanish translation: translation & technical issues

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

Hi everyone,

I have a list of questions I had during the translation. I'm going to post them here to get/discuss an answer. If the discussion gets too mixed maybe it'd be a good idea to have a subforum for the Spanish translation, but I guess it won't be necessary.

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

I've noticed that the accents and special caracters in portuguese are coded as in "também é uma violação".

Since in Spanish we have á é í ó ú, how do I handle it in the translation?


Not long ago I translated other applications to Spanish and Polish and they just gave me the codes for the special (AKA weird) characters. I don't know if I have to write Ascii code or something else, so it's better if you post them here.

I think I would need codes for:
á, é, í, ó, ú, ñ, Á, É, Í, Ó, Ú, Ñ, ¿, ¡

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

MONTHS:

In Spanish the months are not capitalized as in English. Do I have to follow the uppercase rule? So far I have them with upper case.

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

This has something regarding the uppercase rule.


I have this to translate:
<translation><from>Access Request</from><to>Petición de Acceso </to></translation>

Is here "Access" capitalized because you want it capitalized or only because in the English version is the first word of the sentence and thus, there's no need to capitalize in the Spanish version?

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For example, here I don't capitalize the translation for "Author", since in the Portuguese translation it wasn't either?
<translation><from>Author name</from><to>Nombre del autor </to></translation>
Is that correct? In other words, can I trust the Portuguese translation and use it as a guide to better understand the context of the translation?

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

I think I understand how macros work, but I have this question:

I find this bit to be translated:
<translation><from>Create new <t.element/></from><to>Crear <n.novo.element/></to></translation>

as I understand from what I see bold here is going to pick information from two macros, one called "novo" and another one called "element".

In my case, for the Spanish translation, I only need to have a Spanish macro for "novo" (since "new" in Spanish also changes for masculine and feminine), and then write the name of that macro in this bit: <n.novo.element/>

Is that right?

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

This is a nice question. How to translate "embed"?

I've seen that most translations, specially old ones, use the word "incrustar". But "inscrustar" is the action of pushing hard to fit something that won't fit smoothly, as in "the Hulk pushed Iron Man inside the wall".

I would go for "integrar" or "anidar".

- Anidar is quite a close translation.
- Integrar sounds more professional (I would go for this one) and it conveys the idea of "this app fits in your website smoothly).

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Youtube allows you to embed videos on any HTML page. You may want to take a look and see how they translated that word to spanish.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Yes, you are right. You can delete those macros I created for portuguese and build your own macros for the spanish language. Then you can use your macros the way I did.

[Drúnvalo]

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

This is a nice question. How to translate "embed"?

I've seen that most translations, specially old ones, use the word "incrustar". But "inscrustar" is the action of pushing hard to fit something that won't fit smoothly, as in "the Hulk pushed Iron Man inside the wall".

I would go for "integrar" or "anidar".

- Anidar is quite a close translation.
- Integrar sounds more professional (I would go for this one) and it conveys the idea of "this app fits in your website smoothly).

Insertar

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

I have this to translate:
<translation><from>Access Request</from><to>Petición de Acceso </to></translation>

Is here "Access" capitalized because you want it capitalized or only because in the English version is the first word of the sentence and thus, there's no need to capitalize in the Spanish version?

When all letters are capitalized, the sentence is probably a title on the page. But if titles in spanish are not capitalized like that, then you should do what is correct according to the rules of the spanish language.

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

For example, here I don't capitalize the translation for "Author", since in the Portuguese translation it wasn't either?
<translation><from>Author name</from><to>Nombre del autor </to></translation>
Is that correct? In other words, can I trust the Portuguese translation and use it as a guide to better understand the context of the translation?

If only the first letter of the sentence is capitalized, then you should capitalize only the first letter of your sentence. In english, the first word is "Author", so that word gets capitalized. In portuguese, the first word is "Nome", so that word gets capitalized. So your example above is correct. You can see what I did in portuguese as a guide for you.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

If you start a sentence with the name of the month, then it must be capitalized, right?

"January is a hot month"
"Janeiro é um mês quente"

So you should consider that. But in any case, you will be able to change the translation later if you think something is wrong.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

I've noticed that the accents and special caracters in portuguese are coded as in "também é uma violação".

Since in Spanish we have á é í ó ú, how do I handle it in the translation?

If you see those bad characters in your portuguese translations, then you are probably using the wrong editor. You should see "também é uma violação". The chars we use in portuguese are not so different than those you will need for spanish. I suggest you to use the Notepad++ editor, which has good support for encoding. If you run Linux, then you can use Kate. You should keep the encoding as Unicode (UTF-8).

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

Not long ago I translated other applications to Spanish and Polish and they just gave me the codes for the special (AKA weird) characters. I don't know if I have to write Ascii code or something else, so it's better if you post them here.

I think I would need codes for:
á, é, í, ó, ú, ñ, Á, É, Í, Ó, Ú, Ñ, ¿, ¡

You should just those chars directly. There is no need for special codes. Just keep the file with the right encoding and it will work fine. You may post your file here if you are not sure about the encoding and I would take a look.

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

Drúnvalo wrote

Insertar

Youtube uses the word "insertar" and Microsoft "incrustar". I don't like either because none of them conveys the idea of smooth and seamless, which is what Nabble's apps do.

To me "incrustar" is out of the question. As for "insertar", I don't think it's the best choice, I would personally prefer "integrar" or "anidar".

"Integrar" is used in decoration when talking about any element that is fitted seamlessly in a wall. Like in this picture:


Any comment? If not, I guess I'll go for Youtube's option even though I don't like it.

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When translating the footer "Free embeddable xxxxxxx", it sounds way better to say "Foro integrable gratuito" rather than "Foro insertable gratuito".


What do you think?

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

I need context to understand how to translate this:

<translation><from>Hide email address (e.g., [e-mail] to <n.lt/>hidden email<n.gt/> link)</from><to> Esconder endereço de email (por exemplo, [e-mail] vira um link <n.lt/>email escondido<n.gt/>)</to></translation>

What do <n.lt/> and <n.gt/> give?

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

I've finished page 18 of 28. Since I have 10 pages left I guess everything will be finished and checked by Monday or Tuesday.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hide email address (e.g., [e-mail] to <hidden email> link)

Those tags print < and >

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

I've finished page 18 of 28. Since I have 10 pages left I guess everything will be finished and checked by Monday or Tuesday.

Please make sure you can successfully export your translation to a text file without losing the encoding.

[Jose - russianforfree.com]

Hugo <Nabble> wrote

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

I've finished page 18 of 28. Since I have 10 pages left I guess everything will be finished and checked by Monday or Tuesday.

Please make sure you can successfully export your translation to a text file without losing the encoding.

I tried copying the translation and pasting it in a wordpad file and then saving it as plain .txt with UTF-8 and it does the trick.

[Drúnvalo]

Jose - russianforfree.com wrote

When translating the footer "Free embeddable xxxxxxx", it sounds way better to say "Foro integrable gratuito" rather than "Foro insertable gratuito".


What do you think?

En ese contexto ciertamente queda mejor 'integrable'. Pero cuando se refiere a la acción, creo que es más oportuno 'insertar'. Define mejor el acto a realizar. En fin, son matices poco trascendentes.
Cualquiera de ellas cumple su cometido.
Gracias por el esfuerzo que estás haciendo.