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The Future of Nabble

Franklin
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Nabble is not profitable.  Google AdSense is paying less and isn't covering costs.  I have asked Israel to look into ways of getting more money.  If he can't find any, then I will shut down most of Nabble.  But since I personally use Nabble, I will keep one Nabble server.  In this case, anyone who wants to stay on Nabble can have their forum migrated to this server.

Nabble has no future.  I had planned to write new forum software to replace Nabble, but I don't have the time.  If anyone is interested in working with me on new forum software, I am open to this.  I will describe what I have in mind.

Nabble's scripting system is NAML.  I wrote this and I consider it a failure.  It is too complicated.  I realized that a simple high-level scripting language is better, so I wrote one called Luan.  I have been using this language for years to develop various business websites.  This language is a success in the sense it that is very easy to program websites with it.  (It isn't popular, only I use it.  But that is no reflection on quality since humanity generally has extremely poor taste.)

Another weakness of Nabble is it is one program running for everyone.  This means that when I do an update, everyone is updated and this can break people's customizations.  But with a forum written in Luan, each forum could have its own source and control its own updates.

And finally, the future of the web is social.  Nabble isn't social.  Social forums make it much easier for people to find your forum.  So a new forum software should be social.  The obvious social forum today is Reddit.  Besides being a typical intolerant politically correct Silicon Valley tyranny, Reddit is generally a poorly designed forum.  It isn't nearly as customizable as traditional forum software.  So the best of both worlds would be a fully customizable forum that is also social like Reddit.

If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know.  But I won't hold my breath and most likely no one will respond.  In this case, those looking for a forum with a future should look elsewhere.
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Gary Lewis
Thanks for the update.  I'm very sorry to see this, but it is important that we know so we can lay plans.

My forum, http://www.garysgaragemahal.com, is growing significantly.  As of now we have ~750 members and the backup is up to 3.0 GB.  I don't know if that is large, but we are having several more members each day and the weekly backup is steadily growing.

Given that, will the one server be able to handle everyone well into the future?  Will response time be reasonable?

As for money, I'm willing to provide some financial support.
I'm not Nabble support, but have Nabble running on my Weebly website: http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/
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Rick
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Well Franklin, that's a bummer.

I've got u guys as my forum page at Cyclevisor.com.  

I don't know code, heck, it's a struggle just keeping my basic thing going, knowledge wise.
I'm a air conditioning contractor that likes motorcycles.

But, if there is anything I could do to help, contact me.

Sincerely, Rick @ Cyclevisor.com.

Ps.  If u have room, ya, put me on that server please.
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Serenity♛
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Franklin wrote
Nabble is not profitable.  Google AdSense is paying less and isn't covering costs.  I have asked Israel to look into ways of getting more money.  If he can't find any, then I will shut down most of Nabble.  But since I personally use Nabble, I will keep one Nabble server.  In this case, anyone who wants to stay on Nabble can have their forum migrated to this server.

Nabble has no future.  I had planned to write new forum software to replace Nabble, but I don't have the time.  If anyone is interested in working with me on new forum software, I am open to this.  I will describe what I have in mind.

Nabble's scripting system is NAML.  I wrote this and I consider it a failure.  It is too complicated.  I realized that a simple high-level scripting language is better, so I wrote one called Luan.  I have been using this language for years to develop various business websites.  This language is a success in the sense it that is very easy to program websites with it.  (It isn't popular, only I use it.  But that is no reflection on quality since humanity generally has extremely poor taste.)

Another weakness of Nabble is it is one program running for everyone.  This means that when I do an update, everyone is updated and this can break people's customizations.  But with a forum written in Luan, each forum could have its own source and control its own updates.

And finally, the future of the web is social.  Nabble isn't social.  Social forums make it much easier for people to find your forum.  So a new forum software should be social.  The obvious social forum today is Reddit.  Besides being a typical intolerant politically correct Silicon Valley tyranny, Reddit is generally a poorly designed forum.  It isn't nearly as customizable as traditional forum software.  So the best of both worlds would be a fully customizable forum that is also social like Reddit.

If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know.  But I won't hold my breath and most likely no one will respond.  In this case, those looking for a forum with a future should look elsewhere.
Hello, could you put my forum on your server? It would be sad to suddenly say goodbye, because people have already got used to it. Please :)
Forum Link: http://nowa-atlantyda.2367957.n4.nabble.com/
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mark
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I'm sorry to see Nabble go, and that the future software has currently been discontinued. Thank you for offering such a great service. It's truly one of a kind.

I would like to have my site migrated to the new server. Here's its domain: www.growspice.com

Will I be able to use my domain name, still?

Thanks for offering to let us keep our sites on another server.
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pedroabgNabble
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Hello. I've worked on Nabble between 2012 and 2014, I could write a book about this wonderful experience. I really loved this company and its services. Therefore, I hope you can find a way to keep it running or have success building other projects. To whom it may concern, I'm still a developer, text me if you need any help.

ps: my last post was on 2014 lol
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GregChapman
Hi Pedro,

Actually, your last post appears to have been Feb 04, 2015!

Great to see your name pop up. I have emailed you via your new login.
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stmpspaz
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Oh no!!  Nabble is the only forum I have found that allows you to use email as well as online. My members really like this format!!

I am one who always has issues with losing my customization's after an update - but I have finally figured out/learned how to go back in and fix.

Please let me know what is necessary to help keep things running. I would help with financial payment - but am also interested in being moved to the new server to keep running as necessary.

Thank you!
Patti Scanlan
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our combined `effect
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Will, I'm sorry to hear you want Isreal to find money, meaning you may want to keep it going, but if he can't find it then it would be nice for you to do what you prefer!

Same all your helpers!

I not being a techy feel like you need to do first for you all! Where I've explored a lot by using Nabble and have felt quite consumptive storing stuff!  Not being a tech, how could I help you?

Presently am asking SOCLA in an International meet, if they have a message board, if not I have been planning one and thought to clean up my site on Nabble and do it.

Would that be something you would want on your new server? How would you like to be paid to do what you want?

Do you have an idea of when Nabble would stop? Can we save our work before you do, if you decide not to continue with me? And please give me notice if you can, or tell me when to check back?

I also wanted to ask if any of Nabble workers or anyone involved w/Nabble using the forums are interested in this meet, I respect SOCLA and want to scale earth with them along w/a few other plans to rid toxic and restore earth-space.

Please see and share, Thank you all and let me know! kara j lincoln

Dear all:

We are pleased to inform the realization of the International Seminar "Agrobiodiversity: geographies, subjects and governments of the common goods in the reconstitution of food systems for Living Well" from June 22 to 24, 2020 http://soclaglobal.com/posts/7 . The seminar is an event convened by the JAINA Study Community, within the framework of the activities of the project "Assessment of agrobiodiversity to reconstitute healthy food", supported by GIZ in Bolivia. This initiative has been coordinated and developed through collaborative work involving different institutions, organizations and academics from different countries of the American continent, through an organizing committee made up of JAINA, SOCLA, CLACSO and the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation.

The objective of the event is to deepen the analysis and knowledge, from different approaches and research experiences, for the comprehensive assessment of agrobiodiversity from a biocultural, agroecological, political and geographic approach, in such a way that it places food and agrobiodiversity as goods common in the construction of alternatives for restitution and reconstitution of Living Well. From this perspective, the seminar program https://bit.ly/2Bmfgn4 is very rich in diversity of speakers and approaches. We invite you to be part of it by registering for free from http://bit.ly/2ARUD2e . In particular, we invite you to join the tables in which SOCLA members participate:

INAUGURAL TABLE - Monday, June 22, 2020 (from 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Bolivia time), with the participation of Santiago Sarandón (President of SOCLA, Argentina) and Georgina Catacora-Vargas (Vice President of SOCLA, Bolivia).

TABLE 1 - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 (from 09:00 to 12:00 Bolivia time), in which Gloria Zuluaga (National University of Colombia / SOCLA, Colombia) and Helda Morales (The College of the Southern Border / SOCLA) will present . Mexico).

TABLE 2 - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 (from 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Boliva time), with a presentation by Georgina Catacora-Vargas (Vice-President of SOCL, Bolivia)).

TABLE 3 - Wednesday, June 24, 2020 (from 09:00 to 12:00 Bolivia time) that includes Peter Gerritsen (University of Guadalajara / SOCLA, Mexico).

We encourage your participation and appreciate the dissemination of the event.

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nnako
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pedroabgNabble wrote
Hello. I've worked on Nabble between 2012 and 2014, I could write a book about this wonderful experience... To whom it may concern, I'm still a developer, text me if you need any help...
Hi Pedro,

yes, I remember asking a couple of questions and receiving answers from you, long time ago...

As you seem to have the most currently available experience concerning the internal structures and sequences of the Nabble system, maybe you could start "writing a (kind of) book" for the other developers out there willing to get into the system. We need specific information on:

- how to build a working execution environment on our own servers (system requirements: linux, packages, ...)
- how to install and setup Nabble on our own servers (securely working installation process)
- how to find our way through the source code (file and component overview)

I posted these things in more detail some months ago.

Would you like to get involved in this? I think we all would like to support you with whatever we can. But currently, without help from (former) core members we will not manage to find a good starting point for further involvement. It would be highly appreciated.
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Harvey
How much time do we have to find an alternative?
HTTPS Please!
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GregChapman
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Hi Franklin,

Looking at just your following points...
Franklin wrote
Nabble has no future.  I had planned to write new forum software to replace Nabble, but I don't have the time.  If anyone is interested in working with me on new forum software, I am open to this.  I will describe what I have in mind.
...
If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know.  But I won't hold my breath and most likely no one will respond.  In this case, those looking for a forum with a future should look elsewhere.
Is the new forum software Blasma or another project?

If, as you fear, no volunteers come forward and thinking of all those for whom there will be no space on the remaining Nabble server, what are your plans?

As Nabble was pronounced "open source" can you provide documentation to assist those who might have their own  web hosting account and either wish to run there own forum on a fork of Nabble or export their forum to an alternative platform?

When do you plan to circulate forum administrators with the news of the forthcoming shutdown of their server?

How much notice do you plan to give of the shut down of any particular server?
Just a Volunteer Nabble Helper - because the nice folk at Nabble have helped me!
GregHelp - Building a set of answers to Nabble FAQs.
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Franklin
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GregChapman wrote
Is the new forum software Blasma or another project?
I am assuming Blasma.

If, as you fear, no volunteers come forward and thinking of all those for whom there will be no space on the remaining Nabble server, what are your plans?
I don't think this will be an issue.  I think everyone will easily fit on one server.

As Nabble was pronounced "open source" can you provide documentation to assist those who might have their own  web hosting account and either wish to run there own forum on a fork of Nabble or export their forum to an alternative platform?
No, I don't have the time for this.  But we have an excellent sysadmin who I think would be glad to help people on a consulting basis.

When do you plan to circulate forum administrators with the news of the forthcoming shutdown of their server?

How much notice do you plan to give of the shut down of any particular server?
I haven't thought about these things yet.  Before even thinking about this, I need to know whether Israel can make Nabble profitable and I need to know whether someone will take Blasma.  It will be a few months before I know these things.
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Rick

Franklin, Just a bit of insight from the other side if I may.

I don't think u realize how good a product you have.
Could it be better?
Sure.

But, let me tell you, the ease of creating my forumpage, with the tools you created, with the features it offers right away, are second to none,

My hosting company, iPage, offers Wordpress and Weebly in the package I bought from them.  Plus an in-house thing called website builder.    I built a forum 3 years ago using SMF, Simple Machine Forums, which I had to give up when it was overrun with spammers.  

When you indicated Nabble might be closing down, I revisited SMF and installed Wordpress to my site, thinking I would use one or the other to fill the void if Nabble vanishes.

Well, after messing with both of them for a week, it brings back how Effin complex this stuff can be.

I don't want to use either one of them.  Life is too short.  Those code guys over there are so smart they're stupid.
I mean, if the masses can't read it, don't use it, what good is it?

Just a suggestion.   Hire a marketing guy.   Charge for the product you offer.  There is a need for a place that's easy for a layman to build a basic website. A place with color, font and design options.  A place where you don't need a 3rd party to post pics. Or be a code guy to embed a vid.  Keep it simple, colorful and easy.  

Nabble is not a failure, imho.  It might not be what you were shooting for, but hey, like they say in the construction business, "there is no perfect house".

Don't sell yourself short guy, it's a great thing you've created.  
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Gary Lewis
Let me second Rick's statement.  I haven't used other forum applications, but Nabble works pretty well for me.  And I'd like my forum, http://www.garysgaragemahal.com, to be on the ongoing server.

And, as I've said before, I really do not want adverts on my forum.  But, as I've also said before, I'm willing to contribute to some extent to keep Nabble afloat.  However, that would not be without conditions.  For instance, the recent changes that took the Registered role away created serious problems for me.  So if I'm going to pay then I want some say in what changes are to be made.

I can understand if that wouldn't be acceptable.  In that case, I'd like to hire someone(s) to install an instance of Nabble on a commercial server somewhere.  And, provide support for that instance on an on-going basis.  Is there someone who would be willing to take this on?
I'm not Nabble support, but have Nabble running on my Weebly website: http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/
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fffilimnov
I know how to run nabble on Linux VPS.
I can setup your own nabble server with previous code version if you need.
Feel free to contact me directly
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Pedro
I've just sent you an email
My test forum.
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Gary Lewis
Pedro wrote
I've just sent you an email
If that's to me, I got it and responded.  Thanks!
I'm not Nabble support, but have Nabble running on my Weebly website: http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/
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GregChapman
Hi Gary,

It wasn't!

You failed to spot the " In reply to this post by fffilimnov"

Threaded View is very useful when you see "In reply to" lines.
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our combined `effect
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Hello all!

   You are making good sense to try to collectively make this survive if this is truly what all want, for yes Nabble is worthy of all each day! But only if you gain what you really want vs not stopping your own growth due to others wanting it? If that is the case, then maybe the others as well I consider, then Nabble people can help guide part-time collectively as I feel if working for Humanity we each need to plug into self before one can really offer! And go on your way to be whole yourself to then do your part!

   I'm not techy so I can't offer, but I also was detained on a large humanitarian fund to do our plans! So now I'm trying to fundraise to cover losses, which has put me behind!

  But a couple of thoughts: What if we put Nabble into the message board plans I have and I can explain more, but basically to have it very organized to have subject categories for all of you involved if choose to need it or feel also a part-time consciousness to stop scars on earth-space from continuing, and rid toxic, and restore, as we prioritize science universally, and my plans to share Humanity w/SOCLA Latin American Scientists, scaling earth w/agroecological systems!

   So we all collectively gain an understanding of how we are leaving effects and which one can be resolved and how with what local plans to start! Working w/skilled students to orchestrate using communities as classrooms or extended? So then each local plan also then understands how we all must be aware of the truth of what is effecting masses most and prioritize along with w/juggling as a local-global and beyond mindful participant!

   I have a techy Brittany, a very beautiful bright lady, willing to help me technically, as she suggests each have such an objective on their landing page that may differ and has nice ideas!  So I share this and Brittany if interested you can see this guys here working at resolving Nabble!
   I walk my talk, if aware myself, as I told Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk recently as well Pres Trump who asked me to manage his campaign last year. But also Jeff wanted to transition and I said 5G is toxic and they must stop, as well how sanctions are done, Military, Nuclear use, until waste properly cared for, same misinformation of COVD and short-sighted research for toxic vaccines as w/many and Gates going after- and if look at his record in Africa it is not good! Each local plan defining what toxic, once skilled work w/skilled students and go figure, no more will people be misinformed, rather 1 universal science is clear!

  So no more people isolated, w/misinformation, rather I was seeking now such a group so earthlings do not just get needs of delusion met due to many being in the fog due to all this, but also to help change w/the truth skilled bring forth or research so they now help the local plan prioritize needs and offerings and get them met, so then each can better give-gain support for all to do one's homework and gain one's desires?

  But also, investments as a collective also retain control of the local plans, (similar to what Nabble reflecting with this thought could do) but also this way investors know well the local plan will maintain the ecological homeostasis for local life, so not more toxic get permitted and toxic is prioritized to end, along w/harmony for people to see the good jobs to do this transition for these priority local plans to have good technology! So even creatively when earth-space is covered w/same page conscious awareness, then no more controversy without serious empathy and skilled facts brought forth w/intermediary of each subject to guide so all self reflect and find one's space to do one's job! For the objective of seriously stopping time-sensitive destruction interfering in people's ability to heal and self-educate, taking part in earth-space supporting daily tools as people get real with the life-death cycles giving all our ability to do our organic exchanges and create a livelihood for our communities to explore locally and afar, and harmonize w/true enhanced potential!

Ex; agroecological systems keep water in the ground, one went to Mozambique after severe cyclone and weather is getting worse, but showed them another biome-community with identical ecosystems but same severe weather did not kill anyone, the water stayed in the ground, and even can create means for year-round water! As w/Joseph's work in Sierra Leon, Africa aiding Ebola orphans and amputees, where they went to bed hungry due to gardens w/no water, so once I know their reality when yet a Church and 2 univ yet to resolve, so we showed them a YouTube video of 2 primitive men digging a well and making bricks.

  They obtained self-confidence as we discussed their reality of homeschooling due to having not what they thought they should have chasing western ways of ignorance! recently just started school in this building they made w/the bricks from their water in the well they dug, gardens they grew w/watching video from Geoff Lawton's permaculture.

   I can handle robotics and AI, but not too ecologically whor more, or as Trump supposedly said a publisher that he purchased Robotic submarine, ship, and soldiers, but if no peace platform as I working at in real-time w/intermediaries, or if no understanding how many are trashing the microbiomes that Functional Medicine; www.ifm.org  researchers and Doctors that don't use pharma, accept ER only and heal w/whole foods and good testing of the deficient micronutrients that they proved are needed to balance the microcosm in our gut, to have cognitive brain capacity, to self heal, etc. Knowing Western Medicine needs to change the curriculum!  And unless w/skilled students as back up for each local plan to stand by the side of Reps-Govs-People, the scars will continue, when I believe and many suffering can stop!

   Good minds such as yours and tools can be somehow put together! I can ask Brittiany who offered to technically help me do this, to see if she could help you if you decided this could fit in and help not just us and Humanity but you, Nabble? I know how maybe even people starting Nabble, may rethink and come back if asked? Hugo, I respect and he has helped a lot as well Pedro and more!

The next thought is If I can fundraise or get a loan for $10,000.  As I extended my resources on errors and we never charged for 40 years as we gave freely our research, and had lost in 2008 and was ok until a few years of errors snowballing. I then can straighten out what is necessary, and then w/Humanitarian fund that people want me to have to do our plans along w/sharing Humanity's solutions now, I then would support the needs to do this for Nabble if you felt good about our plans? Realizing a virtual platform for earth-space to be sound, so all collectively make these decisions, meaning for the plans I share! As well as have yours on your landing page! So have you thought of the funds that you need for the direction you are choosing??

    I have a problem if we are not walking our talk, so to gain ads of people that are not ecologically whores knowingly or not, so if so, then to offer a transition plan so they-we all realize what they are doing toxic, not support it and aid the change, again more investments and good jobs! Which would then transform, or have to go elsewhere to advertise? So the message board stays free to all to join in and do their part! But with empathy needed! I found myself when my objective to stop wars, seeing a few people I was working with, missing some sensitivity reality of being real at the moment, programmed from past-religion or Military, etc. having their own ways be supported too long that is inhumane, for life can't handle such fragmentation! That is why we are losing over 200 species a day due to the 6th mass extinction and our human misuse-abuse yet to understand and can!

So do you want to profit or have common sense for equality of all earthlings to give-gain, tools are here for basics, and more can be perfected?

Thank you for this read, and please take out what can for you each! And let me know?

   Also, Jamen Shively at Radish.org welcomes me to join them, as they are formulating conscious collective and doing a lot similar, as I occasionally share what I want, and felt they too spacy in some areas but open to learning, I just had a full plate to share more of what I felt of Jamens' inner-interpersonal issues?? But they are all good techies trying to save life on earth and wanting to say w/Emeritus Guy Mcpherson that his science he states from being on top of many science entities, that climate change is too late for solutions. Jamen and others are saying no we will find a way! I told Guy to help us define where science perhaps is wrong in his conclusion, as we all can get programmed in these fcking curriculums and scars on earth-space!

  Guy has opened his mind if we can come up with answers, so they work w/Harvard and many Univ's if any interested you can take part with them for they have nice people on earth as they are trying to also work it out? Jamen used to manage Microsoft w/Bill Gates and feels he is one greedy person, where whatever direction he goes in he has to profit first! And Radish.org offers free for the public. As I too wanted our message board to offer free if I did not merge with another? As then each can gain support for what is needed! 

I am not interested in being a catalog or merchant, but to have a nice board sharing good solutions for earth-space to further support Humanity-investments of priority local plans, for them all to find one,'s place and do local plan below one's feet part-time, networking and prioritizing so all on the same page, yes!

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