solr-dev mailing list

[sarowe]

Hi, I'm Steve Rowe, a committer on the Apache Lucene - Java project.  In March/April 2010, the source code repository and development mailing lists for Lucene and Solr were merged: development discussions for both the Lucene project and the Solr project now take place on a single list: [e-mail].  solr-dev was deprecated at that point, but not removed, so that people could trainsition and continue to access its archives.  See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2567 for a record of the decision.

When people reply to messages on [e-mail] through Nabble, their replies are being sent to the [e-mail] mailing list.  This is really confusing for participants, both because it causes conversations to be spread across multiple mailing lists, and since solr-dev has been deprecated, some people are no longer subscribed to it, and so they miss posts by participants who use Nabble.

I don't know how/why Nabble's reply functionality is set up the way it is, but could you please do something so that all solr development replies go to [e-mail] instead of [e-mail]?

Thank you very much for your assistance.

Steve Rowe

[GregChapman]

Hi Steve,

sarowe wrote

When people reply to messages on [e-mail] through Nabble, their replies are being sent to the [e-mail] mailing list.
...
I don't know how/why Nabble's reply functionality is set up the way it is, but could you please do something so that all solr development replies go to [e-mail] instead of [e-mail]?

I haven't used Nabble's list archive function, so this may be a very naive response...

My assumption is that anyone with administrator rights on the list archive should be able to change the list reply address. From what you describe it sounds as if your admin changed the reply address for the wrong list. Can't your admin fix it themselves?

Or should you just be locking the solr archive so no more mail can be sent via Nabble?

Perhaps you asking for some more profound functionality enhancement, because Nabble doesn't allow for one list to be archived and replies to be sent to another?

Just curious - and would like to know what options are really available.

[dsmiley]

This seems to have fallen on the floor with no action taken yet.  I'm confused by your response Greg; maybe that's because I don't manage a list server and so I don't know what you're talking about.  Greg, do you know how various list administrative actions are handled at Nabble?  I do see a web form to archive a new list that Nabble hasn't seen yet, but it's unclear how to make changes to existing ones.
~ David Smiley

[GregChapman]

dsmiley wrote

I'm confused by your response Greg; maybe that's because I don't manage a list server and so I don't know what you're talking about.  Greg, do you know how various list administrative actions are handled at Nabble?

From the perspective of a user with administrative rights everything is handled through items on the OPTIONS menu of the list archive application. Anyone who comes to Nabble and sets up a list archive will have those right automatically. That original person can also add those rights to any other registered user of that archive.

I do see a web form to archive a new list that Nabble hasn't seen yet, but it's unclear how to make changes to existing ones.

If you're one of the people I mentioned above you should see items on the OPTIONS menu that include EDITOR, STRUCTURE, USERS and more. At the moment it seems that a number of people are complaining those options have gone missing from their menus. Perhaps you're affected in the same way?

[dsmiley]

That helps Greg.  How does one determine exactly who has the administrative rights?  I'd like to find out so I can prod that person to update Nabble.  (I am not a committer so it's definitely not me, despite me acting like one by chasing this down)

[GregChapman]

dsmiley wrote

How does one determine exactly who has the administrative rights?

Providing your administrator has not disabled the feature on your forum, you'll see a PEOPLE link. Click that and on the screen that appears set the FILE BY GROUPS option "Administrators". The user names revealed will all be links and from those you'll be able to email any of the administrators found.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi Steve, thanks for bringing this to our attention. What should be a good solution for our archive? I see some options:
    (1) make the Solr dev archive read-only; or
    (2) change the Solr dev address to [e-mail] and continue archiving normally;

Do you see other options? Please let me know.

Note that I can make you an administrator of those archives. If you want this, please send me a link to your profile on that archive (or give me a link to any post you have made there).

[sarowe]

Hi Hugo,

Hugo <Nabble> wrote

    (1) make the Solr dev archive read-only; or
    (2) change the Solr dev address to [e-mail] and continue archiving normally;

The Solr dev archive should be made read-only (1).  [e-mail] is the development list for both Lucene-java *and* Solr, so (2) is not appropriate.  AFAICT, [e-mail] is already being archived as "Lucene - Java Developer" (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html).

Hugo <Nabble> wrote

Note that I can make you an administrator of those archives. If you want this, please send me a link to your profile on that archive (or give me a link to any post you have made there).

Thanks, I would like to be made administrator of the following archives:

Lucene - General (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-General-f642108.html)
Lucene - Java Users (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Users-f532864.html)
Lucene - Java Developer (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html)
Solr - Dev (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Solr-Dev-f506503.html)
Solr - User (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Solr-User-f472068.html)

I have made posts to each of these lists - you can them here:

http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&user=50656

Thanks,
Steve

[Hugo <Nabble>]

sarowe wrote

The Solr dev archive should be made read-only (1).  [e-mail] is the development list for both Lucene-java *and* Solr, so (2) is not appropriate.  AFAICT, [e-mail] is already being archived as "Lucene - Java Developer" (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html).

Note that our Lucene-Java-Developer archive is connected to the "java-dev@lucene" mailing list, not "dev@lucene". This is why I proposed the switch because we currently don't archive the "dev@lucene" list.

sarowe wrote

Thanks, I would like to be made administrator of the following archives:

Lucene - General (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-General-f642108.html)
Lucene - Java Users (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Users-f532864.html)
Lucene - Java Developer (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html)
Solr - Dev (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Solr-Dev-f506503.html)
Solr - User (http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Solr-User-f472068.html)

I added you as the owner of those archives. Please take good care of them and contact me if you have questions, comments or concerns.

[sarowe]

Hi Hugo,

I'm having a weird problem with logging into nabble: in this forum (free support), I'm able to log in as "sarowe", and I can change personal info on my profile.  But when I go to any of the forums you made me owner of, I can't log in.  When I click on the "Forgot your password?" link and fill in the email address associated with my profile, it says "Incorrect Login!".  But the login I enter is exactly the same as the one I have in my "sarowe" profile -- how can I fix this?

Thanks,
Steve

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi Steve, I believe you are not a registered user on those forums. So please click on the "Register" link on the top right and finish the registration. After that, you should be able to login.

[RichSimon]

I have tried repeatedly to subscribe to the Solr forum mailing list so I could post a question. However, I keep getting the following, indicating  that you are still using the obsolete mailing list. Please change this. I would very much like to ask a question in the Solr forums.

-Rich

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<solr-dev-allow-subscribe-richard_simon=[e-mail]>:
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[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi Rich, the owner of that archive – Steve Rowe – asked us to make that solr-dev archive read-only, but we haven't finished that discussion yet. The dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list is not archived by Nabble, so I still have to discuss with him about this. For now, you can simply subscribe to the list and use your email client to send the email to the list: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/mailing_lists.html

Steve, should we replace that mailing list address?

[RichSimon]

Thanks. I believe I am now successfully subscribed. However, my post still has this annotation:

 

Pending Alert: This post has NOT been accepted by the mailing list yet.

 

If I try reposting and say I’m already a subscriber, it says it will send an email to solr-dev@blah, which is the old address.

 

Is there some way you could get my post accepted?

 

http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Solr-1-4-1-compatible-with-Lucene-3-0-1-td2806828.html

 

 

Thanks,

 

-Rich

 

 

From: Hugo <Nabble> [via Nabble Support] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:21 AM
To: Simon, Richard T
Subject: Re: solr-dev mailing list

 

Hi Rich, the owner of that archive – Steve Rowe – asked us to make that solr-dev archive read-only, but we haven't finished that discussion yet. The dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list is not archived by Nabble, so I still have to discuss with him about this. For now, you can simply subscribe to the list and use your email client to send the email to the list: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/mailing_lists.html

Steve, should we replace that mailing list address?

Official Nabble Administrator - we never ask for passwords.

 

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[sarowe]

Hugo, I'm now logged in on these forums of which I'm the owner, but I don't see any way to change options for the forums.  How do I access the owner's options? - Steve

[sarowe]

Hi Hugo,

The dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list is the development list for both Lucene *and* Solr, so it does not make sense to link it under Solr.

The situation is confused further by the fact that although you say the dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list is not archived, all of the posts listed under the "Lucene - Java Developer" forum, nominally java-dev(at)lucene.apache.org, are in fact sent to and from the dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list, and *not* the java-dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list.  I don't know how to interpret this in Nabble terms, but the mail headers say the email is from the dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list.

I think the right thing to do is switch "Lucene - Java Developer" to *officially* archive the dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list.  Since Solr's development list is the same list, if it is possible to "archive" the dev(at)lucene.apache.org mailing list in more than one place, then it would make sense to link the Solr development forum to the same mailing list.  If that is not possible, then I think there should be a message telling people who come across the Solr development forum that the Lucene development forum is where they want to be.

(This whole conversation makes me feel like I'm swimming through molasses to nowhere in the dark...  I hope this is resolvable soon.)

[sarowe]

Hi Rich,

You want the "Lucene - Java Developer" forum: http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html .  Solr development, along with Lucene development, is discussed there.  The Solr development list is no longer used.

Steve

[Hugo <Nabble>]

I believe you have more than one account on those forums. The owner account is sarowe at syr.edu. Is this the account you have been using? I see that such account is still not registered. You should register with that email on that forum in order to get access to the configuration options. If you don't want that account to be the owner, please give me the email or link to your second account and I will change the ownership for you again.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Thanks for the explanation. I changed the Lucene Java Developer list to archive the dev(at)lucene.apache.org list, see:
http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html

A sub-forum cannot have two parents, so maybe now we should just replace the Solr-Dev archive with an empty forum that explains that the Lucene Java Developer archive is the way to go. So I would remove the duplicated posts, fix the forum message and add a link to the right archive. What do you think?

[sarowe]

Hugo <Nabble> wrote

Thanks for the explanation. I changed the Lucene Java Developer list to archive the dev(at)lucene.apache.org list, see:
http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Lucene-Java-Developer-f564358.html

Cool.  Could you also please change the description on the Lucene -Java parent?  It still refers to java-dev(at)l.a.o instead of dev(at)l.a.o.  (I am apparently not the owner of the parent forum, because the option to change it isn't available to me when logged in as sarowe(at)syr.edu.)

A sub-forum cannot have two parents, so maybe now we should just replace the Solr-Dev archive with an empty forum that explains that the Lucene Java Developer archive is the way to go. So I would remove the duplicated posts, fix the forum message and add a link to the right archive. What do you think?

The solr-dev mailing list was once a separate entity, so removing posts that aren't anywhere else doesn't seem right.  But the rest of your suggestions sound good.

Thanks for your help.

Steve