[PEBKAM] Nabble SMTP address subscribed by ezmlm to [e-mail] but Nabble forum does not show a post to the list

[Graham Perrin]

At the foot of this message:

* the 25th December confirmation of subscription of a Nabble address to [e-mail]

At <http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2689>:

* a 26th December message to [e-mail]

= Problem =

At <http://n2.nabble.com/OOo-user-experience%3A-discuss-%28main%29-f1804488.html>:

* on 27th December, no trace of the 26th December post to [e-mail]

= Check =

The address presented at <http://n2.nabble.com/mailing_list/SubscribeToMailingList.jtp?node=1804488> and the address (obscured below) in the confirmation e-mail are: identical.

Any ideas?

TIA
Graham

--------------- Forwarded message ---------------
From: [e-mail]
To: lists+ ... [e-mail]
Date: Thu Dec 25 15:32:36 PST 2008
Subject: WELCOME to [e-mail]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
[e-mail] mailing list.

Acknowledgment: I have added the address

  lists+ ... [e-mail]

to the discuss mailing list.

Welcome to [e-mail]!

...

[Graham Perrin]

Considering that message in greater detail,
<http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2689&raw=true>
<http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=ui&msgNo=120&raw=true>

Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

* was cross-posted to two lists

* (both lists are archived by Nabble)

* appears in only one of the two fora, at <http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A--ux-discuss--FLUX-UI-tp1916614p1916614.html>.

[Graham Perrin]

<http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&by=date&from=2008-12-01&to=2008-12-31&first=1&count=148> four posts to list since 25th December (the date on which Nabble archiving commenced).

<http://n2.nabble.com/-f1804488.html> only one post (the one that I made using Nabble).

At least three messages to list are missing from the Nabble forum.

@ Nabble: please, any ideas?

Re <http://n2.nabble.com/mailing_list/SubscribeToMailingList.jtp?node=1804488> 
I have reaffirmed that the Nabble address (obscured below) was, still is, subscribed:

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From: [e-mail]
To: lists+ ... [e-mail]
Date: Mon Dec 29 05:21:33 PST 2008
Subject: ezmlm response

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
[e-mail] mailing list.

Acknowledgment: The address

  lists+ ... [e-mail]

was already on the discuss mailing list when I received
your request, and remains a subscriber.

...

[Graham Perrin]

I did search Nabble before creating a forum.
<http://n2.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?query=ux.openoffice.org> shows only the two list archives (and parent forum) subsequently created by me.

An afterthought, in response to problems:

<http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?query=ux.openoffice.org> leads me to <http://www.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f12770.html> and I realise that

* despite thoughtfully searching Nabble before creating fora, my Nabble 2 efforts are a duplication of other people's efforts :(

* a guess: someone else's Nabble 1 effort (in relation to a recently created OOo list) may be a duplication of my Nabble 2 effort :(

This prompts a significant suggestion for improvement to the forum creation process, which I have made a separate topic.

I'll liaise with owners of the OpenOffice.org fora in the Nabble 1 area.

[Graham Perrin]

Graham Perrin wrote

* despite thoughtfully searching Nabble before creating fora, my Nabble 2 efforts are a duplication of other people's efforts :(

This problem in Nabble 2 remains unexplained; a closer inspection/search of Nabble 1 <http://www.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f12770.html> and its ten children, maybe 22 grand-children, maybe 57 great-grandchildren reveals:

* no other Nabble 1 or Nabble 2 forum archiving any list @ux.openoffice.org

-- only, the two Nable 2 fora created by me.

[Graham Perrin]

At parent <http://n2.nabble.com/forum/PrivacySettings.jtp?forum=1803106> I had mistakenly opted to

[√] Restrict New Topics

but I believe that should not have affected the child.

In any case, the child
<http://n2.nabble.com/forum/PrivacySettings.jtp?forum=1804488> was, and still is,

[ ] Restrict New Topics (not restricted)
[x] Everyone Can View & Post (not restricted)

At child <http://n2.nabble.com/-f1804488.html> the only threads present are the two that I placed there. The last post was supposedly on 31st December.

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I received (to my personal Inbox, the address for which I have left
subscribed to the list, for troubleshooting purposes)
two messages dated 1st January 2009,
both addressed to [e-mail]
both with 'Improving styles' in their subject lines.

The two 1st January 2009 messages to list are missing from the Nabble archive of the list.

Curiously, the two 1st January 2009 messages are
missing from the OpenOffice.org archive of the list:
<http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=discuss>
<http://srl.diigo.com/12tm>

(AFAIR this is the first time that I have noticed things missing from the OOo archive of the list. There is typically a delay of only a few minutes.)

Should we suspect an issue with the OOo list server?

TIA for any advice
Graham

[Graham Perrin]

Graham Perrin wrote

Should we suspect an issue with the OOo list server?

For reference only, I quote below some detail of symptoms of problems within the openoffice.org domain and beyond.

As the problems within the openoffice.org domain seem to date from 29th December, there remains the possibility/likelihood that some *other* factor affects my problems with Nabble archiving of the list (which should have commenced on 25th December).

In any case:

* it may be wise to defer Nabble action on this topic until after I receive a response concerning the OOo list service.

Regards
Graham

From: Graham Perrin 
Date: 2 January 2009 12:58:03 GMT

Subject: problems with openoffice.org archive of [e-mail] - examples

= Specific examples =

Messages archived here:
<http://markmail.org/message/grvnxx2emyexfpgh>
<http://markmail.org/message/pksxfa4cx342tily>
are missing from the Gmane archive
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience/>
-- maybe not a problem with services hosted by openoffice.org but I thought I should draw attention.

Messages archived here:
<http://markmail.org/message/grvnxx2emyexfpgh>
<http://markmail.org/message/pksxfa4cx342tily>
<http://markmail.org/message/x5ehymrwheythat7>
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience/2711>
are missing from the openoffice.org archive
<http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=discuss>.

…

From: Graham Perrin 
Date: 2 January 2009 16:35:02 GMT

Subject: problems with openoffice.org archive of [e-mail] - since 29th December

missing from the openoffice.org archive

On closer inspection <http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&by=date&from=2008-12-29&to=2009-01-31&first=1&count=149> everything more recent than 29th December is missing.

[tomi]

This and other messages to [e-mail] list have not been archived because they have X-No-Archive:yes header. It is an annoying default for some ezmlm lists to add this to all messages. You can edit the mailing list settings on Nabble2 to ignore this header, then all messages will be archived.

[Graham Perrin]

@ tomi

Thanks for the explanation! I have set the option for one ux.openoffice.org list that is clearly affected, also for one other ux.openoffice.org list that is maybe unaffected (but may be affected in the future; a precaution).

I guess that it will be polite to notify the list managers that I have taken this step (the ignorance of the header) to enable archiving.

In any case, I did announce to both lists on 25th December that Nabble archives are offered; and there are masses of comparable archives in the Nabble 1 domain.

Regards
Graham

[Graham Perrin]

Graham Perrin wrote

it may be wise to defer Nabble action on this topic until after I receive a response concerning the OOo list service.

It transpires (thanks to tomi) that the symptoms were unrelated.

<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97717> notes recent issues with various list archives in the openoffice.org domain.

All things considered I treat this Nabble Support topic as resolved, fixed.

Thanks again!

(Postscript: PEBKAM, not an issue with Nabble service!)