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[Ettol]

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[Franklin]

When I got rid of anonymous posting, I removed the registered_group because now the anyone_group means registered users in most cases.  So you should remove the registered_group from your NAML.  If you have trouble, post a link to your site and I will look.

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[Franklin]

I registered as "fschmidt".  Make me an admin so that I can look.

[mixagesoftware]

It's now impossible to lock a sub forum to non registered user... This was useful in my case...

[Franklin]

What do you mean by "lock"?

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[Franklin]

Lotte wrote

This way only Registered users can view the sub-forum you have set the permission for.

What is the purpose of this?  Anyone can register, so the sub-forum isn't really private.

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[Franklin]

My question is why you would want to do this?

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[Franklin]

I will add a feature to only allow registered users to see the forum.  But this is the whole forum, not subforums.  So another solution for you will be to make 2 forums with the same theming, one public and one for registered users.

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[Franklin]

The reason for this feature is that new forums will require registration to see them and this will prevent spam forums.

You don't need to use this new feature, you can stick with what you have.

[GregChapman]

Franklin wrote

The reason for this feature is that new forums will require registration to see them and this will prevent spam forums.

So are you really saying you've messed with thousands of forums when all you wanted to do was stop newly created forums from allowing "Anonymous" users to post? Surely it would have been better create a new set of defaults for all forums created after a certain date to achieve that and disable the undesirable features for newly created forums only.

So I can document things on my GregHelp site I need to understand a few terms that you use now:

What is "Anonymous posting"?
Does it mean posting by unregistered users or something more?
(I have a theory that the problem you are trying to rectify may be related to the many mail list archives that Hugo created years ago that were not authorised by the list owners. Perhaps you are getting more complaints from the list owners.)

What is a "Group"?
According to the Change Permissions screen there are four default groups:
Anyone, Administrators, Members, Authors
So why are there are lists of "All Users" and "Registered" on the "Manage Users and Groups" screen. It seems to me that there should only be a lists for Anyone  Administrators, Members. The state of being "Registered" is of no interest to an Admin any more.

If you are going to list other "Types" of user such as "Known Users" (a far more accurate term than "All Users") and "Registered" why not include lists of other types such as the unmentioned "Subscribers"

There seem to be a host of other undocumented changes that have taken place recently as well. We seem to have lost the access to the "Post by email" option (Was this done as part of getting rid of "anonymous users" and better handling of mail list archives?) And yesterday I discover that Embedded videos now fail!

I also note that that the "Gregg" user group has been removed so I can no longer help with spam deletions which continue to appear on Nabble Support. So much for the changes supposedly preventing spam!

I'm sorry but Israel's cryptic post:
http://support.nabble.com/Remove-anonymous-posting-tp7605718.html
just did not cut it as a warning about what was planned. I had assumed it meant that forum defaults were to be altered so that "Anyone" no longer had "Create_topic" and "Reply" permissions by default and that these permissions were to be universally applied to "Registered". Seems to me that's all that was needed.

I'm completely baffled and amazed at what's been done!

[Franklin]

The goal is to stop spam.  This has 2 parts.  First is to eliminate anonymous posting on all forums.  Anonymous posting means posting by unregistered users.  This has been implemented.  Second is to make new forums only visible to registered users.  This has not been done yet.

Nabble is not profitable and ad revenue has dropped and no longer covers costs.  I personally use Nabble, so I maintain it for that reason.  I only make code changes when there is a problem that needs to be fixed.  Spam has increased and needs to be fixed.

Anonymous users still exist, so "Manage Users & Groups" shows them.

When I make a change like this, I can either hack it or do it right by fully making the change in the code.  I avoid hacks because this increases the complexity of the code.  Removing "Create_topic" and "Reply" permissions for "Anyone" by default is a hack.  I don't want to allow anonymous posting at all.  I could also have removed the "Anyone" checkbox but that is also a hack.  There really aren't 2 categories/groups of "Anyone" versus "Registered" anymore.  By eliminating this distinction in the core code, I can be sure that all forms of anonymous posting are gone.  Doing this means NAML changes that may break things.  I will try to fix issues reported here in support.

[GregChapman]

Franklin wrote

The goal is to stop spam.  This has 2 parts.  First is to eliminate anonymous posting on all forums.  Anonymous posting means posting by unregistered users.  This has been implemented.  Second is to make new forums only visible to registered users.  This has not been done yet.

I'm not clear how this is going to work as all the spam I see is posted by registered users:


and these kind of posts suggest that the spammer manages to get through registration and reCAPTCHA security.

 I only make code changes when there is a problem that needs to be fixed.  Spam has increased and needs to be fixed.

I guess my main problem is that I don't see that the fix proposed will achieve its objective.

Anonymous users still exist, so "Manage Users & Groups" shows them.

To some extent I'm playing with semantics here, but "anonymous users" is not a term I accept. It is important to recognise that there are "unregistered visitors" and "unregistered posters" and only one of these category/types of user can cause a problem.
And for me "Group" is the term for those collections of users for whom you control their level of access through the Permissions screen. So while unregistered users (both visitors and posters) exist, they don't constitute a "Group" their merely a type or category of user, and that's why they should either not appear on the Manage Users and Groups screen, and why, to make the point, I suggested adding other categories of user to the screen, such as "Subscribers".

Such semantics are important because it allows more understandable documentation and clearer analysis of what the problem really is. Currently, the blurring of the terms used within Nabble risks implementing an inappropriate "solution" to the perceived problem.

When I make a change like this, I can either hack it or do it right by fully making the change in the code.  I avoid hacks because this increases the complexity of the code.  Removing "Create_topic" and "Reply" permissions for "Anyone" by default is a hack.  I don't want to allow anonymous posting at all.  I could also have removed the "Anyone" checkbox but that is also a hack.  There really aren't 2 categories/groups of "Anyone" versus "Registered" anymore.  By eliminating this distinction in the core code, I can be sure that all forms of anonymous posting are gone.  Doing this means NAML changes that may break things.  I will try to fix issues reported here in support.

I might question your definition of a "hack" and whether it represents a "work around" or "code change" reflecting a change in the principle of operation. However, I fully appreciate that your proposed change will break things.

But what I am really concerned about is whether the change will cure the problem. None of my forums allow posting by unregistered users. However, there have still been periods when some of my forums have had numerous registrations by spammers. Forcing users to register before posting does not stop posting by spammers. By their nature, they don't worry what the topic of the forum is, then forcing people to register before viewing a forum won't stop them either.

Nabble is not profitable and ad revenue has dropped and no longer covers costs.  I personally use Nabble, so I maintain it for that reason.

I can only applaud you for continuing to maintain the service. None of my use of Nabble is commercial, so I make no profit from your generosity. My forums are either based around my hobbies or services to charitable groups.

I'm just left concerned that you are having a problem with your own forums and forcing an unnecessary and ineffective solution on all other users because of that.

[mixagesoftware]

Thank you :)

I understand that this can be done this way. But this requires an additional step:
Each time a new user registers I must add him to the group assigned to the “locked” sub-forum. This was not necessary before this change.

Best regards,
Bruno

[mixagesoftware]

I agree

[Gary Lewis]

Franklin wrote

...Second is to make new forums only visible to registered users.  This has not been done yet....
...Nabble is not profitable and ad revenue has dropped and no longer covers costs....

Could you explain what you mean by the statement re visibility?  Hopefully you don't mean that my forum, Bullnose Forum @ http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/, won't be seen unless people have registered or are members.

As for not covering costs, I just sent you an email about that.